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[STATUS] - July 2018 (Update July 30th, 7:15pm AEST)

(Update July 30th, 7:15pm AEST)

The pin and slot mechanism in progress (short movie) - The pin moves from one end of the slot to the other throughout the full rotation. This effectively superimposes a quasi sinusoidal variation upon the mean sidereal rate of the moon, and was the ancient Greek way of modeling the slight rate variation that we now know to be due to its elliptical orbit. The amount of offset of the slot wheel pivot (approx 1mm) was selected by the Maker to give the closest approximation of the observed lunar motion. This slight variation to the rate of the lunar output pointer would have been barely detectable by the casual observer.

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(Update July 28th, 7:15pm AEST)

Depthing and planting the pin and slot gearing.

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(Update July 27th, 8:00pm AEST)

The offset pivot that is critical to the operation of the pin and slot mechanism of the lunar orbit gearing - much like the retaining lugs, its right at the lower limit of what I can realistically hold in the small parts vise to work on with a file.

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(Update July 24th, 7:30pm AEST)

2/3rds of the coaxial E assemblies - the remaining third is the E platform (E3/E4) from the previous video, which is the outermost of the 3 assemblies in the stack - remarkable stuff.

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(Update July 23rd, 4:30pm AEST)

The E inner arbor in progress - This is the central component of 3 coaxial rotating assemblies that are critical to the operation of the lunar orbit gear train.

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(Update July 21st, 10:30am AEST)

(Short Video) A close up look from the side at how metal deforms and flows during peening - the overhang at the start was approx 0.5mm

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(Update July 19th, 6:30pm AEST)

The outer hub of the coaxial drive assembly that feeds into the lunar phase gearing - its an absurdly small part to be working on today, let alone 2000+ years ago. Of the shapes the maker could have selected for the E5 drive boss (that would have been much easier to mark out), a beautiful little pentagon was chosen.

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(Update July 17th, 8:40am AEST)

AM speculation: Somewhere on the ancient bench, was a collection of small rods and discs that had these general characteristics - very simple and effective alignment tools that ensure concentricity and support of the parts during riveting.

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(Update July 14th, 8:00pm AEST)

Going the full peen to retain D1 on the D assembly arbor - The short cylinder helps keep the arbor upright for the process. The peened area was sanded off a few moments later to give a flush surface that sits just underneath the bridge plate.

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Much filing of teeth over the last week, and I'm now moving on to making some of the assemblies for AM Ep 8 - Here are a few pics from today. The C assembly is a 3 part composite with a very cool little notch to permit entry of the retaining pin on assembly - its a tight squeeze! The alignment jig keeps everything where it needs to be, and the drill is again working well freehand without the driving mechanism. 4 rivets in total (2 through the lower wheel and plate, 2 through the whole assembly) pull the whole thing together. Its a most unusual little assembly, and the recessed retaining pin idea again makes it clear that The Maker was actively pursuing miniaturization. It still blows me away every time I make parts for this machine, just how small everything is - this assembly is not much bigger than my thumbnail.

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Comments

I like your thinking Charles - the counter of course is that there is a square on the other end of the part, as well as many elsewhere in the machine, but its good to keep an open mind about what was actually done and why - Cheers mate :)

Clickspring

Hi Chris, I'm way behind, catching up, sorry. Maybe it's been suggested, but a pentagonal hole is the smallest number of sides where each side can be filed without worrying about the file edge catching the adjacent side. If their files weren't perfect right angles at the edges, or if the ones that were, were rare and expensive, maybe easier to file a close fit non-circular hole with obtuse angles at the corners. If you've already considered and dismissed this sorry.

Charles Newstead

Cheers mate. Great to see your subs/patrons continuing to increase too by the way! Always nice to see others also appreciating your work, I've heard several shout outs to you on the tubes.

Chris Talbot

Spot on with your numbers Chris :) Yes this part of the mechanism is completely blowing my mind - so much to talk about in the next vid :)

Clickspring

Argh, I keep forgetting to check the page for updates... the flipside being I get to look at all this stuff at once. :) Love it when you show a bit of peen'n'polish, it's still like magic to me. You're getting down to a ridiculously fine level of precision for a home machine shop now, and it's obvious that these ancient timepieces were as much art as engineering... I cannot wait to see how you turned up the pentagon drive boss and that ludicrously complex coaxial assembly. The pin-and-slot mechanism is incredible too... what's the stroke length of the pin? By eye and with a poor sense of scale, the slot looks to be no more than 5-6mm long and the pin is travelling about two thirds of that? Amazing stuff, can't wait for next episode... get on with it man!! ;D EDIT: Wait, I think you answered this in the post... ~1mm offset equals about 2mm of travel through one rotation? I see what you mean when you say it would likely be unnoticeable to the casual observer... :)

Chris Talbot

In the next Ep - lots of incredible stuff, truly amazing how close the clearances need to be for this to all work out.

Clickspring

Taper and a slot? Really? What segment was that in? That's major.

Kevin Reardon

In my experience a good way to learn a new CAD-software is to design a project with it. Every time you encounter a problem you will learn a new feature by reading or watching a tutorial.

Stefan

Thanks Chris! I'll definitely be using that student discount.

Josh Schofield

Hey Josh, I used these tutorials and highly recommend: <a href="https://solidwize.com/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://solidwize.com/</a> They are top notch, and will get you up to speed very quickly - Cheers :)

Clickspring

Hi Chris, I'm starting to learn how to use SolidWorks for uni, and I was wondering if you know of where to learn good practices and where to find some good tutorials, or even what you used to get proficient.

Josh Schofield

Sorted!

Clickspring

Just got my fire piston ... gotta be ready for when the Zombie Apocalypse hits!

Sam Oldman

Maybe a pentagon has some symbolic or ritual significance? One of the Platonic solids is composed of pentagons (dodecahedron ). Or it might be the 'trademark' of the particular maker? Made by The Pentagon Guy, sort of thing.

Sean Kirby

Ha ha! Thank you Sam, terrific to have you on board mate :)

Clickspring

Just dropping in to say I have been binge watching Clickspring videos (again) this weekend hoping to get my fix in. The wait for the next Antikythera is too much to bear ... I just had to become a patron so that I could get in on that sweet, sweet sundial action too. Cheers from Tennessee, USA!

Sam Oldman

Hi Chris, I can imagine it takes a massive amount of your time to plan out and execute all the wonderfull shots you put into your vids and then edit for best content, and speaking for myself... you are the muts nuts. Thanks for your time . G

Graeme Brumfitt

Yes that's a good one to have

Clickspring

Hay Ralph, a good starting list is in the post text below this video: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/posts/tools-glorious-4-15834910">https://www.patreon.com/posts/tools-glorious-4-15834910</a> - Cheers :)

Clickspring

Hey Graeme, I'd guess about a day to make the parts and then pull it into an assembly - of course it takes me much longer to figure out and shoot :)

Clickspring

Model Engineers Workshop Manual (Past Masters Series) was this one of them ??

Ralph McCoy

Chris, What were the names of the books you recommended for starting out, as far as machines go ?

Ralph McCoy

Hi Chris, Love the stills can't wait to see the vid. Just out of curiosity how long did it take and how long do you think it would have taken to machine the part, all the best mate G.

Graeme Brumfitt

For modern equivalents, see Concorde or the moon landings.

Jim Porter

Can't wait to watch it!!!

Ben Fousek

I hope for that too - even just a small addition to the record to clear up some of the unknowns.

Clickspring

I _so much_ want someone to find where the A.M. originated so we could understand something - anything - about the technological ecosystem that had to exist for such a thing to be built. But there's nothing in the archeological record that _demonstrates_ this level of mechanical expertise/fabrication. There are a few hints - see Wikipedia, but they're just documents that describe treasure looted by the Romans. Sigh. It's as if the fabricators appeared from nowhere and were then buried by a volcanic eruption. Or that some mischevious aliens have played a fantastic joke on us.

Glenn Trewitt

Awesome work, Can't wait!

Clifton Ballad

Me too!

Clickspring

Cheers mate :)

Clickspring

Well, if you think about it, they did have some things we think of as modern. They had a steam engine (Hero's Engine) and they had batteries/capacitors in the form of Leyden Jars. I suspect the everyday use of things like that came down to a combination of material science (being able to build something of scale that didn't cost a fortune) and finding a way to use this new thing as something other than a curiosity.

James Cromwell

Thanks - I am getting confused.... Sorry.

Phil Sydor

Phil, this is for AM, the antikithera mechanism, for which episode 8 is not out yet. The device with cycloidal teeth is the byzantine sundial calendar.

adcurtin

Lovely piece Chris! This entire series and the byzantine sundial are really changing what I think of the ancient makers and what they could do.

James Cromwell

Excellent videos, thank you! Ref part 8 and your comment, I am confused.... the last video showed the gears being fitted as cycloidal, was that to test the fit? (Part 8, 13 Min 09 onwards)

Phil Sydor

Keep it up!

Colin Merkel

Precision engineering, Ancient Greek style! Looking forward to the next vid in the series!

Chris Talbot

Hey Phil, all teeth in this build are triangular - Cheers :)

Clickspring

Hi - I must have missed an explanation somewhere or misunderstood - are you using 2 types of teeth for the gears - Triangular and cycloidal?

Phil Sydor


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